Saturday, September 20, 2014

Unprecedented constitutional monarchy to re-enter active politics?

 We, the Rakyat shall not forget what the sultan of Selangor is doing. Time is not an empty space. We shall remember and repay you back in kind for your deeds to the Rakyat. Thank you, your Highness for being our guidance in navigating through this crisis. We would not have been able to do so without you. We all need a closure to this saga and thank you once again for having the power to put an end to it all. We the Rakyat might not be in complete abeyance with your choice of the next MB but who cares. What we want is an end of this circus. So so sorry to have impinge upon your precious time. Let us get rid of State Assemblies as they are playing the role of ceremonial figures rather than vice versa. First Perak and now Selangor! Political sabotage through manipulation.when the Palace declares war on the rakyat. Wan Azizah is the popular candidate for the MB post, having won the Kajang by-election with a resounding majority  Remember there is no escaping from the almighty - tomorrow maybe your last day especially for all those who have erred.Why is there so much HATE and SCORN towards this lady?? What great sin has she committed?? by being the wife of Anuar. Why has she to pay this heavy price?? Must she suffer for any wrong that Anuar committed.Has she not suffered enough bringing up here children and struggling during Anuar's time in prison?? I hope Eternal judgement will be on those who hate and punish her. Just my thoughts on the Selangor MB issue
After so many writing by people and law experts yet the palace had interview 3 others and snub Puan WAN> Its now sure Puan WAN will not be MB. Maybe it AZMIN. If PKR agree with Anwar and Puan Wan then its AZMIN should show his worth.After all 31/2 is no ver long from now.Next election PAs will hae a hard fought battle with DAP gaining more then 15 seats.If PKR solid work more then 13 seats.PAS may have to fight UMNO in all malays seats and maybe lose out by 7 seats.Pr will be able to win more seats after what happen to Puan Wan.People will not forget She was rob of her right esp PAS>HADI.If god willing Puan wan then will again name next MB. I am truely surprise in Malaysia Gender a issue forgetting rule of law n constitution out of the window.SAD DAY for all Malaysian woman.Now PAS woman want higher post not a decorative piece to serve tea.The change will happen that too soon. If PAS selected take the risk of no confidence vote or seek SNAP election which will put PR on greater height
If a precedent is set when a majority-supported candidate is not chosen to be the MB there is no turning back for future decisions for similar situation.PKR and the people may have to accept the inevitability but that doesn’t mean that‘unpopular’ decision will be forgotten.Politicians come and go;it means nothing even if they were insulted,rebuffed or seen to be irreverent,but royalty as an institution is here to stay.Therefore any decision made by the royalty must be carefully taken;especially the one that seems not being with the people,it can slowly erode the support of the institution itself.You don’t see the adverse reaction in short term but as time passes questions may asked of the institution.As younger generation,more educated than their parents,who know not of the history of the sultanates one day may ask the‘pertinent’ question.This important decision to be made by the sultan has future implication not only affecting Selangor state but the institution itself.a majority in the state assembly excluded while three people with no majority is called for interview. Let the show begin. If the person selected accepts the post, let PKR and DAP call for a vote of no confidence and see what happens. It seems the constitution is turned upside down by HRH. Looks like the sultan wans us to return to the feudal system where the sultan has absolute powers.It should be obvious to the Sultan that the three candidates can't command the confidence of the majority. Azmin can command the confidence of the majority only if Anwar supports him. The Sultan interviewing the three candidates is not a scoop. It’s not exclusive. All media should have been informed by the palace. There’s a lack of transparency and accountability.
No matter what, PKR and DAP must not allow PAS to take the M.B post. Its better to have a vote of no confidence and go for a snap election. It appears that PAS has betrayed PAkatan by submitting two PAS names.And it was long planned by UMNO that a PAS member be selected by HRH to be M.B. This will contribute to the inevitable breakup of the Pakatan coalition.No wonder Hadi suddenly make a u turn knowing that if a PAS candidate is selected he will need the support of PKR and DAP. That's why in his speech he warned both PKR and DAP not to betray PAS. Meaning if PAS candidate got selected he expect PKR and DAP to support their candidate.
Just desolve assembly and have fresh election for Selangor. The constitution must be supreme, or else is dog eat dog world. PAS is a real bastard in this issue. PAS can go to hell, will not vote PAS anymore. PAS you think you can rule another state, dream on. You will even lose Kelantan come GE1
One of the disadvantages of being around for a while is that you can’t be easily fooled. That’s the privilege of the young and inexperienced who are often waylaid by hope. Niccolo Machiavelli, the canny philosopher, said that those who deceive will always find those who are ready to be deceived. They are drawn to each other like moths to a flame.
But before I step away from the man who fathered modern political theory, I would like to quote him once more. Even though he lived in 15th century Florence, Machiavelli got the idiom of our politics just right. A promise given was a political necessity of the past, he said; the word broken is a political necessity of the present.But if our past was so great, if our leaders were so wonderful, our culture was so rich, how come we are in such a mess today? How come every time we boast about our achievements, we only wallow in shallow nostalgia? We are constantly copying others or ourselves.

Sultan of Selangor and Khalid
How the soap opera unfolds from here will ultimately depend on how convention has been tempered by the precedent set in 2008 and the wisdom of the Sultan.
The issue  before us is whether the discretion to appoint Dato Seri  Dr. Wan Azizah Wan Ismail is still with HRH Tuanku Sultan of Selangor. University of Malaya Law Professor Gurdial Singh Nijhar says that HRH has little choice but to appoint her as the new Menteri Besar since she commands the support of 43 out of the 56 members of Dewan Undangan Negeri (State Legislative Assembly) in accordance with Article 53(2)(a) of the Constitution of the State of Selangor. In truth, HRH has the option to ask for additional nominees before he makes up his mind. It cannot be ruled out since that is his Royal prerogative.
Selangor Constitution


PAS has wittingly or unwittingly put the Sultan in the delicate position of having to accept either candidate against the provisions of the State Constitution, or go against the majority of the legislative assembly and, by extension, the rakyat. To circumvent the Hobson’s choice above by a dissolution of the legislature would be most unpopular as the house is still overwhelmingly dominated by Pakatan Rakyat, unlike the hung Perak State Assembly in 2009. Even then the house was not dissolved.Put the blame squarely on the hypocrites in PAS for not being able to work under a woman MB. It is a blessing in disguise for exposing PAS for what they really are, a bunch of kampong coconuts masquerading as political leaders in 21st Century Malaysia. There is no place for them here. They should be riding some stinking camels somewhere in Arabia.And if they start taking graven images with their iPhones, (which is forbidden in the Quran), and wave their PAS flags around, (which has the forbidden image of the Moon on it), they are surely bound for Hell.
To complicate matters even more, Section 53.4 of the State Constitution states that, “In appointing a Menteri Besar, His Highness may in his discretion dispense with any provision in this Constitution restricting his choice of a Menteri Besar, if in his opinion it is necessary to do so in order to comply with the provisions of this Article.”
The Hobson’s choice becomes a Gordian knot when Section 53.3 is read in conjunction with Section 53.4, because discretionary powers are granted the Sovereign Ruler to reject any provisions of the constitution in order to fulfil the spirit of the article.

Dr Bari  is of the view that the idea of “discretion” being bandied about by PAS and the public is not an “absolute discretion”. He says that the discretion exercisable by the sovereign ruler should be viewed in the context of democracy and a responsible government, and thus the provisions of the State Constitution still hold true.


“But when the leaders choose to make themselves bidders at an auction of popularity, their talents, in the construction of the state, will be of no service. They will become flatterers instead of legislators; the instruments, not the guides, of the people. If any of them should happen to propose a scheme of liberty, soberly limited, and defined with proper qualifications, he will be immediately outbid by his competitors, who will produce something more splendidly popular. Suspicions will be raised of his fidelity to his cause. Moderation will be stigmatized as the virtue of cowards; and compromise as the prudence of traitors; until, in hopes of preserving the credit which may enable him to temper, and moderate, on some occasions, the popular leader is obliged to become active in propagating doctrines, and establishing powers, that will afterwards defeat any sober purpose at which he ultimately might have aimed.”

― Edmund Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France

Anwar: We respect Sultan's request but PR to stick to Azizah only


On Constitutional MonarchyThe rights to be consulted, to encourage and to warn
Walter Bagehot famously wrote in The English Constitution (1867) that the British monarch has three rights: the rights to be consulted, to encourage and to warn.
“To state the matter shortly, the sovereign has, under a constitutional monarchy such as ours, three rights — the right to be consulted, the right to encourage, the right to warn. And a king of great sense and sagacity would want no others. He would find that his having no others would enable him to use these with singular effect. He would say to his minister: “The responsibility of these measures is upon you. Whatever you think best must be done. Whatever you think best shall have my full and effectual support. But you will observe that for this reason and that reason what you propose to do is bad; for this reason and that reason what you do not propose is better. I do not oppose, it is my duty not to oppose; but observe that I warn.” Supposing the king to be right, and to have what kings often have, the gift of effectual expression, he could not help moving his minister. He might not always turn his course, but he would always trouble his mind.
The disquiet expressed by the palace over remarks regarding the Selangor menteri besar (MB) crisis is perfectly understandable, and to some extent, even justified.

The limits of a monarch’s discretionary powers in a functioning democracy has exercised the minds of many a constitutional lawyer the world over. The debate always intensifies and burnishes when there is intense political contestation; and a party feels that its mandate, so painstakingly won through elections, may be at stake.

Our own courts have several times adjudicated on the legality and propriety of a ruler’s exercise of discretionary power. Malaysian law reports attest to the abundant legal jurisprudence in this regard.



Indeed as recently as 2010, our highest Federal Court in the case of the two MBs – Nizar v Zambry – solemnly pronounced on the limits of a monarch’s discretion; and when and how the royal prerogative in the choice of MB should be properly exercised.
This is the precise question that is presented in the present episode. Not surprisingly then, this has ignited a rather animated debate; in the course of which, no doubt, considerable heat has been generated.

And this is how it should be. As the palace statement, with respect, correctly points out: "The sultan wants someone who will take care of the rakyat's needs and develop Selangor to higher levels".

And what better way to gauge the “rakyat’s needs” than have the rakyat itself provide its feedback – through the media and other recognised channels.

The rakyat chose the party that must govern. And their expectations as to who must helm the government to develop the state “to higher levels” must rank at par with that of the ruler’s.

That’s why an orderly and smooth transition – consonant with respect for the "constitution and established conventions", which is how the Federal Court phrased it in the Nizar case, is vital. And that, precisely, is what is being advanced.

In this context, it may be felt by some that the extension of the tenure of an MB who tendered his resignation on the basis that he had lost the support of the majority of the members of the Legislative Assembly – may be at odds with conventional practice and our judicial pronouncements.

Our Federal Court said that once this loss of majority confidence is made clear, then resignation must follow; indeed the Chief Judge said if the MB refuses to tender his resignation (as happened in the Perak case) “... the fact remains that the executive council is dissolved (which include the Menteri Besar) on account of the MB losing the confidence of the majority of the members of the Legislative Assembly”.

The Court went on to say: “Therefore, it is not necessary for the DYMM Sultan of Perak to remove Nizar and other members of the executive council”. In short the MB and his exco lose all legitimacy to continue to govern.

The challenging constitutional poser then is: in the light of this clear statement of the law, can the power to govern be extended? Indeed an intriguingly novel question.

Perhaps we can refer then to constitutional conventions established by the country on which our Westminster model of the constitution was crafted.

An authoritative constitutional authority says this, of the practice in England: “In the event of... resignation of the Prime Minister, the governing party would doubtless expedite its election procedures. If there were still to be substantial delay before a successor could be chosen, the Cabinet could be expected to bring forward a minister who would assume temporary leadership of the government, the Queen being invited to confirm his or her authority to act. Otherwise the Queen might call on the deputy Prime Minister or, if there were none, the Minister ranking highest in precedence to take this responsibility”.

Practically, this convention seems to suggest that it may not be quite appropriate to appoint in the interim a person who has lost majority support of the members of the assembly.


For then in whose name does the person rejected by majority of the assembly and the exco, rule?


In the course of a long reign a sagacious king would acquire an experience with which few ministers could contend. The king could say: “Have you referred to the transactions which happened during such and such an administration, I think about fourteen years ago? They afford an instructive example of the bad results which are sure to attend the policy which you propose. You did not at that time take so prominent a part in public life as you now do, and it is possible you do not fully remember all the events. I should recommend you to recur to them, and to discuss them with your older colleagues who took part in them. It is unwise to recommence a policy which so lately worked so ill.” The king would indeed have the advantage which a permanent under-secretary has over his superior the parliamentary secretary — that of having shared in the proceedings of the previous parliamentary secretaries. These proceedings were part of his own life; occupied the best of his thoughts, gave him perhaps anxiety, perhaps pleasure, were commenced in spite of his dissuasion, or were sanctioned by his approval.
The parliamentary secretary vaguely remembers that something was done in the time of some of his predecessors, when he very likely did not know the least or care the least about that sort of public business. He has to begin by learning painfully and imperfectly what the permanent secretary knows by clear and instant memory. No doubt a parliamentary secretary always can, and sometimes does, silence his subordinate by the tacit might of his superior dignity. He says: “I do not think there is much in all that. Many errors were committed at the time you refer to which we need not now discuss.”
A pompous man easily sweeps away the suggestions of those beneath him. But though a minister may so deal with his subordinate, he cannot so deal with his king. The social force of admitted superiority by which he overturned his under-secretary is now not with him, but against him. He has no longer to regard the deferential hints of an acknowledged inferior, but to answer the arguments of a superior to whom he has himself to be respectful. George III in fact knew the forms of public business as well or better than any statesman of his time. If, in addition to his capacity as a man of business and to his industry, he had possessed the higher faculties of a discerning statesman, his influence would have been despotic. The old Constitution of England undoubtedly gave a sort of power to the Crown which our present Constitution does not give. While a majority in parliament was principally purchased by royal patronage, the king was a party to the bargain either with his minister or without his minister. But even under our present constitution a monarch like George III, with high abilities, would possess the greatest influence….
It would be childish to suppose that a conference between a minister and his sovereign can ever be a conference of pure argument. “The divinity which doth hedge a king” may have less sanctity than it had, but it still has much sanctity. No one, or scarcely any one, can argue with a cabinet minister in his own room as well as he would argue with another man in another room. He cannot make his own points as well; he cannot unmake as well the points presented to him. A monarch’s room is worse…. He will not refute the bad arguments of the king as he will refute another man’s bad arguments. He will not state his own best argument effectively and incisively when he knows that the king would not like to hear them. In a nearly balanced argument the king must always have the better, and in politics many most important arguments are nearly balanced. Whenever there was much to be said for the king’s opinion it would have its full weight; whatever was said for the minister’s opinion; would only have a lessened and enfeebled weight.”
To this day, Halsbury’s Laws continues to recognise these rights:

“[The Queen] still has the right to be consulted, the right to encourage, and the right to warn. However, she also has the right to offer, on her own initiative, suggestions and advice to her ministers even when she is obliged in the last resort to accept the formal advice tendered to 
Playfair In Islam, the first point of reference for guidance is the Al Quran. If the signs (ayat) are unambiguous, there is no further need to refer to the Sunnah of our Nabi (SAW) or the Hadis. There are similar analogies in secular systems and institutions. May Allah SWT give us the wisdom for us to be deserving of His ar Rahman and nir Raheem.It is not PAS as a whole, but only Hadi together with his gang of wolves clad in sheep skin are doing the internal sabotage within PAS and PR as instructed by their UMNO boss.PAS must also be reminded that the names that they submitted must have the support of the majority. They just can't simply give 3 names just to satisfy the palace.

after what Pas (and specifically Hadi) has done to destroy PR, you still want to plead with them? I say, lose Selangor (the battle) and win Putrajaya (the war) in the longer term. You have established yourself as the ICON of change for a better Malaysia whether you a free man or otherwise. Don't destroy the hopes and aspirations of the right-thinking rakyat just to keep Selangor. A far superior option is to let the Selangor assembly dissolved and together with DAP test your strength and the impact of the temporary set-back this fiasco has caused the PR coalition (now minus Pas). Better to be a credible opposition (after the snap election in Selangor) than having to compromise on the principles that PR had promised the rakyat. And what makes you think that Pas won't stick the knife into you again when you least expect it in the future if they are still with PR?

Salvaging Islam from quacks like Abdul Hadi Awang the Islamic scholar is anything but plain 'Stupid'

 a Pakatan component party leader Hadi Awang who had betrayed Pakatan right and left and secretly met with the Selangor sultan without the knowledge of DAP and PKR leaders, now has the guts to demand DAP and PKR not to betray Pakatan?What Hadi said is in my opinion akin to killing somebody and then demanding the deceased's next-of-kin not to charge him in court. If this is the mentality that Hadi has, then what future is there for PAS to be a partner in Pakatan and the road to Putrajaya? Hadi, this unity  non-Muslims/Malays (and moderate ones) are going to punish PAS. If they by default vote for BN, Pakatan Rakyat is royally screwed in Selangor. All thanks to PAS.In the end, if true that Hadi is not interested in working with Umno, then the singular motive is to become PM. He cannot have Wan Azizah become MB because then the political convention is forever altered to allow for a woman leader.After GE14, DAP and PKR will want Wan Azizah to be PM and Hadi will never become one. So this is all about him becoming PM. It's just as good as betraying Pakatan because no voter expects Hadi to become PM.government notion and the MB imbroglio was started by that PAS think-tank chief Mohd Zuhdi Marzuki. It was not denied that you did consider this option
.Addressing PAS members at the general assembly today, Hadi says he was only following the party's principles in doing things differently than its Pakatan Rakyat partners in handling the Selangor MB issue. - The Malaysian Insider pic by Nazir Sufari, September 20, 2014.
Soo Jin Hou: I used my own money to fly back from Hong Kong to vote for a PAS candidate.  After this betrayal, you are on your own, PAS.Once bitten twice shy, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
Sabotage of PKR's candidate in the Kota Damansara seat in 2013, resulting in a win for Umno-BN. Pakatan held that seat in 2008.

2) The unity government was mooted in 2008 where he and his cohorts were in favour of that arrangement but backed down due to lack of support.

3) The recent admission of recruiting a PKR leader (PKR deputy leader Azmin Ali) to jump ship by offering the MB’s post to him, a clear sign of betrayal to its partners in PR.

4) His uncooperative stand with regards to the Selangor MB crisis.

5) The nomination of party members for the MB’s post though outwardly saying that PAS is not keen for the post. Hypocritical indeed.

6) Losing Terengganu and Kedah to BN under his presidency.

Are we naive to believe your speech? Nay.

After creating so much havoc in Selangor and acting like a good Umno lackey in strongly opposing the appointment of PKR president Wan Azizah Wan Ismail as the Selangor MB, even though she has the majority support, PAS president Abdul Hadi Awang now says he will not form a unity government with Umno.
 another trick by Hadi to avoid a no-confidence vote against him at the PAS muktamar in Johor. The only cause of the current MB fiasco and its further prolongation is Hadi and PAS.
But his actions and his very unreasonable strong opposition to Wan Azizah’s appointment speaks much louder than his current words of not uniting with Umno. Indeed, the current crisis in Selangor with regards to the MB’s post could have been settled had PAS supported Wan Azizah for the post in a united stand with PKR and DAP.When you discovered your favourite boy (PKR deputy leader Azmin Ali) in Pakatan was not playing ball with you, you went berserk. Hadi, you are a PAS leader, you know Khalid Ibrahim is now an Independent, yet you and your ulama colleagues still wants him to be MB.
 
You even have the cheek to tell us in Selangor that you will prop up his weaknesses. You mean you have that much influence over Khalid?

 
The problem is PAS is playing two sides. Hadi, you are the one who betrayed Pakatan, not the other way around. With your flip-flop decisions, you even betrayed your own colleagues in the party’s central working committee (CWC) that decided to support Wan Azizah as MB.
 
You ignored the majority voice of your own CWC members. PAS should ask him to leave and retire if PAS wants to move forward and obtain support from non-Muslims. But the way it is going, even the Muslims are beginning to be doubtful about PAS.

 
Hadi’s actions have clearly revealed that if he continues to stay in Pakatan Rakyat, he will be an Umno Trojan horse and a great liability to Pakatan.
PAS president Datuk Seri Abdul Hadi Awang said he could not just stand by and follow the conduct of its partners in Pakatan Rakyat during the Selangor Menteri Besar crisis.
He said instead, the party had its own principles and beliefs that determined how it dealt with the Selangor Sultan that differed from PKR and DAP.
Although he did not explicitly refer to it, Hadi is believed to be talking about how he sent more than one name to the Selangor Sultan intead of one name as done by PKR and DAP.
 Hadi's words, no to unity govt, is not worth the spit of our disgust. There is no way one can believe Hadi who has been doubletalking, making u-turns, employing roundabout logic and arguments and finally even gostan on his earlier assurance that PAS is not eyeing the MB post when he submitted PAS names to the sultan. Hadi is a lying mongrel dressed in white. Even religion can't unify them so what's next... Hadi will become like DAP's Lee Lam Thye, a BN tool for deception. What a mess to demolish a long serving party who have claimed the most non malay support in the last GE13..This is another trick by Hadi to avoid a no-confidence vote against him at the PAS muktamar in Johor. The only cause of the current MB fiasco and its further prolongation is Hadi and PAS.


PAS's powerful Muslim scholars wing wants the party to accept the Selangor menteri besar's post if that is the choice of the state ruler, a move which shows that the party's rifts over the issue are likely to get worse.

The moderates in PAS did not stage a walk out during the presidential speech.  This shows who is doing the right thing.

It is a shame for those 70 PAS Youth members to show disrespect for the deputy president. What is so wrong about Mohamad Sabu? The fact he dares to speak out what he thinks is wrong, goes to show his courageous side, which a party like PAS desperately needs.

Mohd Sabu may be right or wrong in his stand. Instead of blindly supporting Hadi who could very well be wrong, these youth members should listen to what their deputy president got to say and if they don't agree, question him. Why walk out?

Is that what Hadi refers to as Islamic principles?
Take a bow, Hanipa Maidin, Mohd Sany Abdullah, Wan Kharizal Wan Khazim and their ilk.

These men refused to be cowed into silence or beaten into submission by the boos, walkouts and thuggish behaviour by a segment of delegates at the PAS muktamar this week.

They urged their party men to think carefully before accepting the position of menteri besar of Selangor, pointing out that it would betrayal of trust of their Pakatan Rakyat (PR) allies, not to mention setting in motion the demise of the coalition.


The most erudite of the lot was Hanipa, the party's legal chief and perhaps the one individual who should be an example for Malaysians in this period of bullying and intimidation.

It would have been much easier and rewarding for him to have stuck to the party line offered by Datuk Seri Abdul Hadi Awang and the hardliners. But no, he did not choose the easy way out.

Anecdotal evidence suggests that he has stood up to the hardliners in meetings as the crisis over the Selangor MB's position escalated.

All the while pointing out that the MB's position in Selangor is PKR's. And, therefore, Tan Sri Abdul Khalid Ibrahim's replacement must come from the party.

Hanipa has also stated on a number of occasions the undisputed fact of Malaysian politics: that the MB must enjoy the majority support of the state assembly.

He is on solid ground here because the Federal Court in the Perak power grab laid down the rule.

At the PAS muktamar, Hanipa was booed roundly by supporters of the so-called ulama class when he made three points about the party accepting the MB's position.

One, the MB's position in Selangor belongs to PKR.

Two, a PAS MB would not enjoy the support of PKR and DAP and would lead a fragile state government.

"If we accept, we cannot run from the accusations that we have broken our promise," he said.

Third, accepting the MB's position would lead to the break-up of PR.

Throughout his speech, he was heckled. But he did not lose his calm, pointing out that he was just stating the facts.

In the final analysis, Hanipa, Sany and the others who urged PAS to act justly and reject the MB's position did not appear to have done enough to prick the conscience of the party's growing band of ambitious zealots.

But what is really admirable is that they tried. They did not go with the flow. They did not succumb the threats and intimidation. They did not choose to stay silent on the sidelines.

They spoke up.

A damn good example for Malaysians.

The men of expediency and convenience

But there is a section in PAS that believe otherwise. That political expediency must win over anything else, even a pledge or vow with your allies.

Some of these men inhabit the powerful Muslim scholars’ wing of PAS, they who lead the Islamist party's spiritual path.

They would want you to believe the notion that without them, PAS would be blind just as without the professionals, the party would limp along.

Their foresight and piety, however, masks something else. It masks their political ambition to rule over Malaysians in the only way they see fit.

That they are the guides to a better and more spiritual path.

That no one else will do, especially if it is a woman.

Today, one of them, PAS Dewan Ulama acting deputy chief Datuk Mahfodz Mohamed said the party should accept whoever the Selangor palace has chosen to avoid angering the state ruler.

"If the menteri besar is from PKR we should accept. If the menteri besar is from PAS we should also accept.

"We already have one enemy, Umno. We should not add another enemy from the palace," he said at the muktamar today.

Expediency. Convenience. All that over political bonds and friendship forged in two elections.

To hell with pacts made and agreements signed. Do anything, even repudiate all that, rather than anger the palace. The people who voted do not matter.

Because the voters are just sheep. And the ulama are the shepherds or guides who decide and cannot be questioned.

The thing is, these scholars have no business dictating their demands to the rest and sundry. PAS is in a partnership with two other parties and all three need to have mutual respect.

Just as it is wrong for Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim and his ilk to decide the “Kajang move” unilaterally without consulting his allies, it is also wrong for PAS scholars to go their own way without taking their allies' interests into consideration.

Malaysians want politicians of character and integrity, not those with just naked lust for power and are willing to do anything to get that power.

PAS blinks as UMNO prevails, but who will be the new Menteri Besar ?

A majority of respondents in a one week survey conducted on the Selangor menteri besar crisis last month agreed that the Sultan of Selangor has the ultimate power to decide on who should be the next menteri besar.
More than 48 per cent of the 2,183 respondents polled agreed that the Sultan should decide on the next menteri besar compared to 36.4 per cent who are not inclined to agree while 15.6 per cent do not.
The respondents, who were selected through random sampling, had also blamed the state's political fiasco on opposition de facto leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim.
More than 44.5 per cent of the respondents blamed Anwar, while another 17.9 per cent blamed Pas president Datuk Seri Hadi Awang and another 15.3 per cent felt Datuk Seri Dr Wan Azizah Wan Ismail was to be blamed.
The survey, conducted by Universiti Teknologi Mara (UiTM) Shah Alam associate professor Prof Dr Ismail Sualman, also revealed that more than 50.8 per cent of the respondents feel that the Selangor political fiasco will have an impact on the overall performance of Pakatan Rakyat in the next general election.
Ismail said the respondents, who comprised of 54 per cent male and 45 per cent female, had also expressed desire to see Khalid continue his job as the menteri besar.
"More than 36 per cent of the respondent felt that Khalid should remain as menteri besar while another 31 per cent wanted to remain neutral.
"A mere 3.8 per cent strongly do not agree with Khalid as the menteri besar," he said after presenting his survey at a closed-door dialogue session organised by the National Council of Professors here, today.
Ismail added that the choice of sampling focused on the differences in the opinions of urban and rural residents in Selangor. He said the 2,000 plus respondents are representative of close to a million Selangorians.
"From our survey we have concluded that if a state poll is called, Pakatan stand to lose a number of seats, especially in the Malay majority and rural areas," he said.
The new Selangor menteri besar will be sworn in on Tuesday. -NST





The preservation of parliamentary democracy and constitutional monarchy.
 
What else can be more important? If we are to revere parliamentary democracy and constitutional monarchy, Kak Wan should be appointed as MB.
 
Otherwise what is parliamentary democracy when the one who got majority support cannot become the MB?If DSAI (Anwar) accepts that decision, it would also mean that he too is not prepared to uphold the constitution. Not upholding the state constitution would lead to a bad precedence.
 
I hope that all parties involved will repect the state constitution and parliamentary democracy. That is very important to us
 
Anwar is not confronting HRH, but in my opinion merely doing what is right for the country. Why on earth must the name of the next MB be kept a secret only until when he/she is sworn into office?
 

Dr Mahathir also said he wil lbe nasty  \said this Otherwise, they think everything they are doing is right and they will go on ...

  Palace ticked Anwar off but quiet on Dr M when they said the same thing.’Waiting for the palace to reprimand Mahathir, too

 Dr Mahathir Mohamad, who was the PM for 22 years, has clearly stated he only sent in one name for MBs during his tenure and this must surely have a bearing on the current debate.

This must be repudiated and disproved if the argument of precedence and convention is to be even considered. Any hint of taint is definitely unfortunate and should have been avoided.t is a known fact to all that PAS/DAP/PKR have a clear understanding amongst them that the MB candidate should come from PKR. Also, Pakatan Rakyat had earlier requested (in writing) to 'Menghadap Sultan' some weeks ago. Why is the palace dragging its feet?

The palace should also stop issuing press statements belittling elected representatives of the people using a private secretary. Just invite Anwar or Kak Wan or both for a ‘Majlis Menghadap Sultan’ and sort this out amicably.

However, the bigger issue now would be the propriety and constitutionality of making HRH (his royal highness constitutional responsibility to see that there is no assault on the constitution.The Sultan of Selangor was wrong to have decreed that Pakatan Rakyat (PR) submit more names to the palace for the menteri besar (MB) post, a constitutional expert said last night, adding that only God, and not humans, had absolute power As pointed out by PKR leader Rafizi Ramli, allowing HRH to choose among several candidates would make HRH vulnerable to campaigning and other inappropriate suggestions. This also flies in the face of other conventions and would need to be fully ventilated in the public sphere for all to understand and accept as the requirements of the constitution.readmore The Palace is dragging on a self created crisis. forming the government in Delhi vs Selangor
Moves are reportedly afoot to cobble together a government in Selangor. The assembly has been kept in suspended animation after resigned, and not dissolved.
The statement also appeared to contradict former prime minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad’s recent claim that Umno too had only submitted one name for the mentri besar post.
Private secretary to the Sultan, Datuk Mohamad Munir Bani, said Anwar’s claim was inaccurate and insisted that the Barisan Nasional governments of the past had always submitted several names through the prime minister.
“The statement made by Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim was inaccurate and is misleading the people.
“What was practiced under the BN administrations was that the names of the candidates for the mentri besar post was presented to the Selangor Sultan by the Prime Minister when granted audience with the Sultan.
“It is in this event that the prime minister would present a few names deemed suitable for the consent of the Sultan,” Munir said.

 PAS menteri besar is unlikely to be accepted by the party's allies PKR and DAP.and will never support with the choice for menteri besar it will be a temporary state government," Mohamad told reporters along the sidelines of the party's 60th assembly today.A new Selangor Menteri Besar (MB) from PAS would be a short-lived one,r it will be a temporary state government predicted the party's own deputy president Mohamad Sabu.
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PKR party deputy president Azmin Ali would be made the new Selangor menteri besar as he was never nominated for the post., Azmin could change his mind and not accept the post as he did not have the support of the majority of Selangor legislators.

: PAS secretly submitted two names from its party and this went against the unanimous selection of PKR president Wan Azizah Wan Ismail as MB by Pakatan Rakyat.
 
This resulted in the palace requesting PKR and DAP to submit more than one name. HRH (his royal highness) did not reject Wan Azizah, as everyone assumed, but requested for alternates as PAS had done.
 
HRH in his wisdom will have to decide on a candidate with the majority support in the State Assembly or risk the possibility of a no confidence motion against a royally-appointed candidate. This will definitely not augur well for the palace.
 
PKR deputy president Azmin Ali, though cannot refuse a royal command as a subject of HRH, has expressed his desire to decline the position in favour of Wan Azizah.
 
However, Selangorians must accept the decision by his HRH. We must not show disrespect to HRH. It must be remembered that the PAS action caused the turmoil and not the palace. It is not fair to say the palace was politically involved.u. Azmin will be a disaster for Pakatan and Selangor. Just looks at the huge number of his supporters who have been lobbying non-stop for years for him to be MB. What does this mean?
 
It means that Azmin is "laden" with cronies whom he will have to oblige and pay back with lucrative projects and contracts once he, Azmin, is in position of power, in this case, as the MB.
 
This is my one big fear. Wan Azizah, on the other hand, does not have any obvious cronies, at least not yet.

Thursday, September 18, 2014

Datuk Mohamad Munir Bani afraid that Wan Azizah will became the ‘Iron Lady of Selangor like Indira Gandhi